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	<title>Comments on: John Ralston Saul in Wellington</title>
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	<description>by Jason Kemp</description>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.dialogcrm.com/blog/2007/08/28/john-ralston-saul-in-wellington-today/comment-page-1/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks David, I believe the immigration example that Saul mentioned is a complex one with regard to nationhood and nationalism.

Diversity should strengthen our sense of nationhood. It shouldn&#039;t be seen as a  threat to the locals.

Saul&#039;s book on &quot;The Collapse of Globalism&quot; is a review of the ideology of globablism and and a scan of the different responses; positive and negative around the world.  The book often left me wanting to have a lie down as the implications of his wide research and writing style can be quite forceful.

However - my summary is that while global forces and especially trade are still important - local interests, especially recognition of people above ideology is more important.

What I also find incredibly interesting is that no-one in the mainstream media has managed to talk to Saul on this particular trip - which is our loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks David, I believe the immigration example that Saul mentioned is a complex one with regard to nationhood and nationalism.</p>
<p>Diversity should strengthen our sense of nationhood. It shouldn&#8217;t be seen as a  threat to the locals.</p>
<p>Saul&#8217;s book on &#8220;The Collapse of Globalism&#8221; is a review of the ideology of globablism and and a scan of the different responses; positive and negative around the world.  The book often left me wanting to have a lie down as the implications of his wide research and writing style can be quite forceful.</p>
<p>However &#8211; my summary is that while global forces and especially trade are still important &#8211; local interests, especially recognition of people above ideology is more important.</p>
<p>What I also find incredibly interesting is that no-one in the mainstream media has managed to talk to Saul on this particular trip &#8211; which is our loss.</p>
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		<title>By: David MacGregor</title>
		<link>http://www.dialogcrm.com/blog/2007/08/28/john-ralston-saul-in-wellington-today/comment-page-1/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>David MacGregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 08:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had never heard of Ralston Saul until you referred to him.

Or Canada.

I thought an aspect of the article you reference that is interesting is his criticism of Canada:

&quot;We encourage foreign professionals to come, then let our professional bodies tinker with credential systems to protect themselves by marginalizing the newcomers.&quot;

The same phenomenon or something analogous happens here in New Zealand. How many well qualified migrants are excluded from socially profitable or productive work because of xenophobic and protectionist schemes?

I believe the relatively recent idea of nationalism is one of the most damaging ideas in the repertoire of contemporary civilisation. It adds to fraternalism, factionalism, tribalism and regionalism (but doesn&#039;t replace all or any). Watching NZTV there are a handful of commercials that, with very little modification could be used to incite ethnic cleansing using metaphors like the All Blacks (for MasterCard).

Globalism isn&#039;t an incidious force but one that unifies in a useful, rather than a petty and self interested way - the Internet is the obvious metaphor.

There are two units that matter: 1) The Individual 2) The World.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had never heard of Ralston Saul until you referred to him.</p>
<p>Or Canada.</p>
<p>I thought an aspect of the article you reference that is interesting is his criticism of Canada:</p>
<p>&#8220;We encourage foreign professionals to come, then let our professional bodies tinker with credential systems to protect themselves by marginalizing the newcomers.&#8221;</p>
<p>The same phenomenon or something analogous happens here in New Zealand. How many well qualified migrants are excluded from socially profitable or productive work because of xenophobic and protectionist schemes?</p>
<p>I believe the relatively recent idea of nationalism is one of the most damaging ideas in the repertoire of contemporary civilisation. It adds to fraternalism, factionalism, tribalism and regionalism (but doesn&#8217;t replace all or any). Watching NZTV there are a handful of commercials that, with very little modification could be used to incite ethnic cleansing using metaphors like the All Blacks (for MasterCard).</p>
<p>Globalism isn&#8217;t an incidious force but one that unifies in a useful, rather than a petty and self interested way &#8211; the Internet is the obvious metaphor.</p>
<p>There are two units that matter: 1) The Individual 2) The World.</p>
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		<title>By: rabsteen</title>
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		<dc:creator>rabsteen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>love saul.  that vancouver sun piece was great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>love saul.  that vancouver sun piece was great!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Kepes</title>
		<link>http://www.dialogcrm.com/blog/2007/08/28/john-ralston-saul-in-wellington-today/comment-page-1/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Kepes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 01:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I wish I was in Wellington
&#039;cos then I&#039;d be with you

Oh how nice - did I mention that I miss Wellington!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I wish I was in Wellington<br />
&#8216;cos then I&#8217;d be with you</p>
<p>Oh how nice &#8211; did I mention that I miss Wellington!</p>
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